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		By: Rectofossa		</title>
		<link>https://rectofossal.com/tamiflu/#comment-36</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rectofossa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2014 06:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://rectofossal.com/tamiflu/#comment-35&quot;&gt;John Alan Tucker&lt;/a&gt;.

John, 
&quot;The poster child for the AllTrials campaign&quot; - thank you for this.
There&#039;s another well-informed commentary which provides more wood to your fire with some interesting links to reviews of the data that are a little less ~ahem~ &#039;focussed&#039; than Jefferson, Doshi et al:
http://www.socialsciencespace.com/2014/04/tamiflu-and-the-ethics-of-the-british-medical-journal/ 

I&#039;ll try to stick to the microbiology; current neuraminidase inhibitors aren&#039;t perfect. We all know that. How imperfect? A pandemic would be the ultimate test but I agree a proper estimate can only come if ALL the available data is now properly analysed by someone untainted by all this - and then published in a high-impact journal other than BMJ. And using a methodology without the huge gaps that even a simple microbiologist such as I can drive a coach and horses through. 

And other commentators have also noted BMJ has been digging itself deeper into a hole on this issue - one wonders when they might stop.

Anyway, the data (linked to in the link above and elsewhere) shows that people will die unnecessarily in a pandemic if neuraminidase inhibitors are not readily available. (Unless something better turns up in the meantime or the then current seasonal vaccine is effective against the pandemic strain and available in abundance - which is incredibly unlikely for many self-evident reasons.)

So one wonders not just how on earth an academic journal such as BMJ could allow itself to get so mired in this. The aspect that really beggars belief is adopting a position where an increase in preventable morbidity and mortality from a pandemic - inevitable without rapid access to neuraminidase inhibitors - is a price worth paying because winning a war of words with Roche is apparently just too important.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://rectofossal.com/tamiflu/#comment-35">John Alan Tucker</a>.</p>
<p>John,<br />
&#8220;The poster child for the AllTrials campaign&#8221; &#8211; thank you for this.<br />
There&#8217;s another well-informed commentary which provides more wood to your fire with some interesting links to reviews of the data that are a little less ~ahem~ &#8216;focussed&#8217; than Jefferson, Doshi et al:<br />
<a href="http://www.socialsciencespace.com/2014/04/tamiflu-and-the-ethics-of-the-british-medical-journal/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.socialsciencespace.com/2014/04/tamiflu-and-the-ethics-of-the-british-medical-journal/</a> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to stick to the microbiology; current neuraminidase inhibitors aren&#8217;t perfect. We all know that. How imperfect? A pandemic would be the ultimate test but I agree a proper estimate can only come if ALL the available data is now properly analysed by someone untainted by all this &#8211; and then published in a high-impact journal other than BMJ. And using a methodology without the huge gaps that even a simple microbiologist such as I can drive a coach and horses through. </p>
<p>And other commentators have also noted BMJ has been digging itself deeper into a hole on this issue &#8211; one wonders when they might stop.</p>
<p>Anyway, the data (linked to in the link above and elsewhere) shows that people will die unnecessarily in a pandemic if neuraminidase inhibitors are not readily available. (Unless something better turns up in the meantime or the then current seasonal vaccine is effective against the pandemic strain and available in abundance &#8211; which is incredibly unlikely for many self-evident reasons.)</p>
<p>So one wonders not just how on earth an academic journal such as BMJ could allow itself to get so mired in this. The aspect that really beggars belief is adopting a position where an increase in preventable morbidity and mortality from a pandemic &#8211; inevitable without rapid access to neuraminidase inhibitors &#8211; is a price worth paying because winning a war of words with Roche is apparently just too important.</p>
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		By: John Alan Tucker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I also have no desire to take up Trish Groves&#039; and Peter Doshi&#039;s rhetorical offer to review hundreds of thousands of pages of CSRs (Unlike Doshi et al, I don&#039;t have salary funding to spend the next 6-8 months doing that), I also found the process troubling.

Having made Tamiflu the poster child for the AllTrials campaign, what were the chances that Cochrane would then undercut its own position by issuing a review stating that it came to conclusions essentially identical to those reported by the Roche analysis?  

The close connection between BMJ and Cochrane in pursuing the data release, and the steady stream of editorial content critical of Roche and Tamiflu over the last two years, creates serious questions about the peer review process as well.  

Ideally, the data once acquired would have been reviewed by an independent group and published in a journal without ties to the controversy. 

Historically, the role of medical journals has been to provide a neutral forum for the discussion of scientific and medical data. BMJ in recent years has become highly politicized, and its editors increasingly combative and dismissive of dissent from what they have defined as political correctness. Its a different approach, I guess time will tell whether it is successful and whether it leads to better medicine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I also have no desire to take up Trish Groves&#8217; and Peter Doshi&#8217;s rhetorical offer to review hundreds of thousands of pages of CSRs (Unlike Doshi et al, I don&#8217;t have salary funding to spend the next 6-8 months doing that), I also found the process troubling.</p>
<p>Having made Tamiflu the poster child for the AllTrials campaign, what were the chances that Cochrane would then undercut its own position by issuing a review stating that it came to conclusions essentially identical to those reported by the Roche analysis?  </p>
<p>The close connection between BMJ and Cochrane in pursuing the data release, and the steady stream of editorial content critical of Roche and Tamiflu over the last two years, creates serious questions about the peer review process as well.  </p>
<p>Ideally, the data once acquired would have been reviewed by an independent group and published in a journal without ties to the controversy. </p>
<p>Historically, the role of medical journals has been to provide a neutral forum for the discussion of scientific and medical data. BMJ in recent years has become highly politicized, and its editors increasingly combative and dismissive of dissent from what they have defined as political correctness. Its a different approach, I guess time will tell whether it is successful and whether it leads to better medicine.</p>
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		By: Rectofossa		</title>
		<link>https://rectofossal.com/tamiflu/#comment-34</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure the analysis of those data included in the review is spot-on and would withstand scrutiny from those far better qualified to comment than a simple microbiologist. 

As I say above - inter alia - it&#039;s the criteria for inclusion that I find most interesting and worthy of comment. 

But I must also admit I have neither the skill nor the inclination to take up the kind invitation to analyse 150,000 pages of data. But I take great comfort this is a shortcoming shared by the authors, who state:

&quot;The main limitation of our study is our relative inexperience in dealing with large quantities of information and our lack of familiarity with certain trial documents such as blank case report forms. A further limitation of our review is that the methods we have developed to assess and summarise information from clinical study reports may not apply to non-industry trials (which may not be reported in clinical study reports).&quot;

Also, in the interests of openness I have no conflicts of interest: I have never received a penny from a pharmaceutical company, I do not work for a competitor of the BMJ or any other interested parties and - for the avoidance of doubt - I have never contributed to any Cochrane Collaboration review or been associated with Cochrane etc etc. 

I have no dog in the fight here and I only make this point to follow @Trish&#039;s laudable precedent - and I&#039;m sure anyone else who takes time to comment will do likewise if it&#039;s relevant. 

Again, very sincere thanks for all the comments. That anyone would take time so to do I find humbling and bewildering in equal measure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the analysis of those data included in the review is spot-on and would withstand scrutiny from those far better qualified to comment than a simple microbiologist. </p>
<p>As I say above &#8211; inter alia &#8211; it&#8217;s the criteria for inclusion that I find most interesting and worthy of comment. </p>
<p>But I must also admit I have neither the skill nor the inclination to take up the kind invitation to analyse 150,000 pages of data. But I take great comfort this is a shortcoming shared by the authors, who state:</p>
<p>&#8220;The main limitation of our study is our relative inexperience in dealing with large quantities of information and our lack of familiarity with certain trial documents such as blank case report forms. A further limitation of our review is that the methods we have developed to assess and summarise information from clinical study reports may not apply to non-industry trials (which may not be reported in clinical study reports).&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, in the interests of openness I have no conflicts of interest: I have never received a penny from a pharmaceutical company, I do not work for a competitor of the BMJ or any other interested parties and &#8211; for the avoidance of doubt &#8211; I have never contributed to any Cochrane Collaboration review or been associated with Cochrane etc etc. </p>
<p>I have no dog in the fight here and I only make this point to follow @Trish&#8217;s laudable precedent &#8211; and I&#8217;m sure anyone else who takes time to comment will do likewise if it&#8217;s relevant. </p>
<p>Again, very sincere thanks for all the comments. That anyone would take time so to do I find humbling and bewildering in equal measure.</p>
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		By: Carlos		</title>
		<link>https://rectofossal.com/tamiflu/#comment-33</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;If you disagree with our findings, or if you want to carry out your own analysis or just want to see what around 150,000 pages of data look like, they are one click away&quot;

(http://dx.doi.org/10.5061/dryad.77471).

Carl Heneghan, Tom Jefferson, Peter Doshi
http://www.bmj.com/content/348/bmj.g2545?tab=responses]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you disagree with our findings, or if you want to carry out your own analysis or just want to see what around 150,000 pages of data look like, they are one click away&#8221;</p>
<p>(<a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.5061/dryad.77471" rel="nofollow ugc">http://dx.doi.org/10.5061/dryad.77471</a>).</p>
<p>Carl Heneghan, Tom Jefferson, Peter Doshi<br />
<a href="http://www.bmj.com/content/348/bmj.g2545?tab=responses" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bmj.com/content/348/bmj.g2545?tab=responses</a></p>
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		By: Trish Groves		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 12:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We&#039;d welcome postpublication peer review of The BMJ&#039;s articles on Tamiflu and Relenza, via bmj.com Rapid Responses (eletters).

Since 1998 The BMJ has published nearly 100,000 Rapid Responses to articles in The BMJ, many of them substantive. Yet the recent articles on neuraminidase inhibitors have had only a handful of Rapid Responses. 

Why the silence?

Trish Groves
Head of Research, The BMJ

tgroves@bmj.com
Twitter/trished

Competing interests: I chair The BMJ&#039;s weekly research committee meetings, including the one where we accepted the Cochrane reviews on neuraminidase inhibitors]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;d welcome postpublication peer review of The BMJ&#8217;s articles on Tamiflu and Relenza, via bmj.com Rapid Responses (eletters).</p>
<p>Since 1998 The BMJ has published nearly 100,000 Rapid Responses to articles in The BMJ, many of them substantive. Yet the recent articles on neuraminidase inhibitors have had only a handful of Rapid Responses. </p>
<p>Why the silence?</p>
<p>Trish Groves<br />
Head of Research, The BMJ</p>
<p><a href="mailto:tgroves@bmj.com">tgroves@bmj.com</a><br />
Twitter/trished</p>
<p>Competing interests: I chair The BMJ&#8217;s weekly research committee meetings, including the one where we accepted the Cochrane reviews on neuraminidase inhibitors</p>
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		By: AE		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 23:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://rectofossal.com/tamiflu/#comment-30&quot;&gt;Rectofossa&lt;/a&gt;.

It all boils down to ££$$££
And whilst over time the amount of novel new treatment reduces, the only thing left to do is to re-invent it. This allows the renewal of the patent rights.

The tweak usually is the third carbon along the chain and then have another cockroach review to say; it now has a enhanced targeting mechanism]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://rectofossal.com/tamiflu/#comment-30">Rectofossa</a>.</p>
<p>It all boils down to ££$$££<br />
And whilst over time the amount of novel new treatment reduces, the only thing left to do is to re-invent it. This allows the renewal of the patent rights.</p>
<p>The tweak usually is the third carbon along the chain and then have another cockroach review to say; it now has a enhanced targeting mechanism</p>
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		By: Rectofossa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rectofossa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 23:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Been some interesting stuff going on with highly conserved CD8 epitopes in some inf A strains (and a bunch of other viruses) but a team at Stanford are now targeting a highly conserved area on the shaft of the haemagglutinin - hence my throwaway line re universal flu vaccine. 
If they can get a decent antibody response to that it&#039;ll be easier to produce than a T-cell vaccine - but all the nutters will claim influenza isn&#039;t serious and the vaccine causes autism....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been some interesting stuff going on with highly conserved CD8 epitopes in some inf A strains (and a bunch of other viruses) but a team at Stanford are now targeting a highly conserved area on the shaft of the haemagglutinin &#8211; hence my throwaway line re universal flu vaccine.<br />
If they can get a decent antibody response to that it&#8217;ll be easier to produce than a T-cell vaccine &#8211; but all the nutters will claim influenza isn&#8217;t serious and the vaccine causes autism&#8230;.</p>
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		By: AE		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 23:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if by the next decade the new vaccine discovered is an off spring of paracetamol and tamiflu = paramiflu
By which time the NHS would have  reached its shelf life and a new way to defraud the insurance companies emerges]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if by the next decade the new vaccine discovered is an off spring of paracetamol and tamiflu = paramiflu<br />
By which time the NHS would have  reached its shelf life and a new way to defraud the insurance companies emerges</p>
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